their bodies are pretty blown apart. they're working with, at the moment, just the lower half of their bodies. they believe they are foreign attackers, which throws out so many questions about their ability to move in and out of the country. it is early days, but the focus of the investigation now is, who are they, where did they come from, and where is that broader network that supported them. while the focus of the investigation is on the attackers' identities, for so many here and around the world, the focus is on those who were caught in the cross fire. take a look at this. a horrifying scene of carnage and destruction at turkey's busiest airport. three suicide attackers carrying out a deadly siege on tuesday night. the coordinated attack, captured by airport surveillance cameras. >> i just recognized the gunshots and then heard this huge explosion, and i knew

immediately it was a bomb. and i just bolted as fast as i can. >> reporter: two of the terrorists opening fire at the international terminal before blowing themselves up. this amateur video shows just some of the injured laying outside on the ground before the first explosion. that sound from the first blast by the arrival hall on the first floor. travelers seemingly unaware of the attack that is about to unfold. another surveillance video captures the chaos inside as one of t attackers runs into the airport. then he's apparently shot by a police officer. his gun sliding across the floor. seconds later, another massive explosion. roof tiles falling, panes of shattered glass along the floor, and bullets perforating the windows and walls. >> you don't think it's real. then people started running and running and running, so we clashed and fell over each other. it was total chaos.

>> reporter: the third attacker detonating a third explosion at a parking lot at ataturk airport. istanbul's airport is known for its heavily fortified security inside and outside the terminals. turkish prime minister says the attackers arrived at the airport by taxi. he says all indications point to isis, bearing chilling similarities to the deadly bombings in march at brussels airport and subway system. amazingly, the airport behind me has actually reopened, victor. they're trying to return as quickly as possible to some semblance of normalcy. for those who have been describing to us those shattered panes of glass, the bloody footprints tracking out of that terminal building as people ran for their lives, it is just an extraordinarily difficult moment here in istanbul. it's starting to feel like a

continue y continuum at this point. >> understandable. thank you so much. turkish and u.s. officials say the u.s. tan bull airport attacks carried hallmarks of an isis inspired assault. was this the work of isis or potentially another terror group? cnn's senior international correspondent clarissa ward, what are you hearing? >> well, this does bear all the hallmarks of an isis attack or isis-inspired attack. there have been six attacks in turkey this year. majority of them have been either kurdish separatists or else by isis. what is slightly unusual is when it comes to turkey, isis doesn't traditionally claim responsibility for its attacks. this in stark contrast from

attacks that it has pulled off in the west, which it immediately likes to trumpet online. why do we think it's isis? well, let's look at some of those hallmarks. the first one that jumps out, watching it unfold yesterday, is the fact that the attackers, the perpetrators were heavily armed. this fits the profile of the so-called suicide warrior. these aren't just suicide bombers. they're suicide fighters. the idea is that they go in there, they're heavily armed, they try to kill as many people as they possibly can using their ak-47, and only then do they detonate their explosive vest. this is exactly what we saw in the bataclan theater in paris. it's also important for our viewers to understand this is the last ten days of ramadan. it's the holiest period of the holiest month of the year. earlier on, we heard isis spokesman. he came out and he urged anyone who is part of isis, who supports isis, who is inspired by isis, to come out and carry out attacks during this holy

month. >> clarissa, stay with us, if you would. we also want to bring in phillip mudd, cnn counterterrorism analyst and former cia counterterrorism official, and michael weiss, senior editor at "the daily beast." michael, let me start with you. why wouldn't isis claim responsibility for this? >> when it claims to turkey, they don't like to do it, and i suspect it's because they want to create ambiguity. because they operate so closely to the turkish border and they rely upon turkey essentially to keep that border as an open sieve so their fighters can go back and forth, they're looking to destabilize the turkish government and turkish society but not draw the ire and fire from ankora. turkey has prioritized the fight against the pkk traditionally. turkey has been shelling isis positions and locations with

artillery -- >> so that's why they would hit. >> because there is a concern. turkey is a unique opponent for isis. they have the biggest military in the region. they have great intelligence and contacts. it's their will to fight on a larger scale that's been the issue. there's another aspect of this from the american perspective. ordinarily, we don't care if it's isis or somebody who wants to be isis or somebody who is, you know, somehow perversely interested in isis. but here the analysis matters because if it is or if it was pkk, well, then that's a different threat assessment for us back here in america because pkk isn't targeting us. that's very specific to turkey. so we actually do want to know this time, right, phil? >> sure, and there's another aspect of this that's interesting and critical, in fact, from an american counterterrorism perspective. if you're looking at the people who are drirected or inspired t carry out an attack like this, they're going to be inspired by the same people who send individuals to places like paris, brussels, or the united

states. we're not just trying to figure out what is the network within istanbul that might have supported. this i want to know, is there a center of activity in a place like raqqah, the core operations area in syria for isis, who are also training to attack us? >> clarissa, i want to show the video of the one of the attackers detonating his suicide vest. it is very macabre. it's very, very disturbing. we want to let people know. but what is so striking about watching this is because we get to see it for the first time, sort of how it unfolds. he's been shot, it appears. he's in pain or clearly debilitated. but the desperation. when i watch it, he's still desperate to detonate himself. it's just so obviously hard for us to kind of digest here in the west. what do you see when you watch that video? >> well, i think it's easy for our viewers to sort of forget this, but this is a cult.

these people who are trained for these types of operations, they desperately want to die. for them not to die in this operation would defeat the entire purpose of it. these are martyrdom operations. they believe this guarantees them a place in paradise. not only does it guarantee them, they're allowed to them intercede on behalf of their families. essentially, they can bring their whole family to paradise with them. if they fail to detonate and are arrested by turkish forces, then the whole operation has been a miserable failure. so it is striking to see him still detonate when he's lying there wounded on the floor. by the way, there's nobody else in that arrivals hall around him at that point. presumably they had all run away. so he doesn't even achieve his goal of trying to kill as many people as possible, but we saw this again with the attackers in paris. that attack basically went wrong, but still those bombers, they blew themselves up. they barely managed to kill anyone but themselves.

but for them, the whole purpose of this operation is to die in the end. if you don't die in the end, it doesn't matter how many people you killed, you didn't complete your operation. >> and there is a meaningful distinction for you, phil, for you, michael, in the difference between a decide bomber and a martyr in terms of what their motivation is. alisyn's word is macabre. my word is unfortunate that they didn't shoot this guy early enough. in terms of protecting yourself, does it matter if it's a straight suicide bomber or a martyr, how much preparation, whether they come with a weapon or not? >> well, on the battlefield, isis guys come with their ak-47s, their assault rifles, and shoot as many as they can. they will literally go up and hug their enemy then detonate the bomb to take as many people as they can with them. they have tens of thousands of people on the ground in syria and iraq, untold numbers of people, sleeper cells or networks, scattered throughout europe and the middle east.

they don't want to waste these guys. you can kill more people using a gun and bomb attack. >> i'm just so struck by everything that you've said and that clarissa has said. this is important for everyone to remember. they want to do -- they are deeply driven to do this. we in the west need to understand that that's hard to combat. >> i interviewed a guy who's in the isis security services who defected. i asked him, when it comes to decide bombers, do you select these recruits, or do they volunteer? he very carefully said, no, they always volunteer. we want people who are committed to die. >> look, phil, guys like you have been telling reporters like me since 2001 that it's not about their numbers. everyone on the other side is willing to die. they want to die for this. it's a different psychology of warfare because obviously your goal is to be effective but stale alive. why now? when you look at this, there are a lot of different things you could be examining, whether it's

turkey taking up renewed relations with israel, whether it's the anniversary of the caliphate that isis brags about. what do you see in terms of timing? >> a lot of times in these situations we try to create stories or narratives that don't exist. is it an anniversary issue? did they select a date? in my experience, that doesn't happen. you nig you might see that occasionally. typically in these situations, it's you have someone who has access to the target, that person is trained by a cluster of people within turkey or back in syria. the longer they sit around, the more vulnerable they are to turkish security services. go now because we have the training, we have the capability. i wouldn't read too much into the date. >> so it's a crime of opportunity. >> that's correct. >> so interesting. thank you, all, for the expertise. obviously we'll be relying on you throughout the program. let's get to victor. >> alisyn, thank you. the two presumptive presidential nominees both strongly condemning the terror attack in turkey, but their approaches on how to respond to terror are

starkly different. cnn's phil mattingly joins uh now with more. >> it's the ever-present element of this campaign, terror. you have campaigns trying to figure out how to deal with it, candidates constantly talking about it, and voters increasingly uneasy about its existence. last night's attack underscoring once again that the candidates have very different strategies as they deal with this in the weeks and months ahead. >> we had another suicide bombing, istanbul, turkey. many, many people killed. >> the airport attack in istanbul leading presidential candidates to once again address terrorism on the campaign trail. >> we better get smart, and we better get tough, or we're not going to have much of a country left, okay? it's bad. >> hillary clinton refraining from any mention of the terror attack during a town hall in los angeles tuesday night. instead, releasing a statement,

pledging that the attack in istanbul only strengthens our resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism and radical jihadism around the world. contrast that with trump, who is again arguing for using torture in the fight against terror. >> so we can't do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads. we have to be so strong. we have to fight so viciously and violently because we're dealing with violent people. >> the presumptive gop nominee coming under fire once again for his rhetoric. >> the transpacific partnership is another disaster. pushed by special interests who want to rape our country. >> trump, provocatively vowing to rip up international trade deals, spending most of tuesday laying out his economic plans and arguing that americans need to take their country back. >> globalization has made the financial elite who donate to

politicians very, very wealthy. i used to be one of them. it's left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. >> clinton saying she's sympathetic to people drawn to trump's message. >> they have lost faith in their government, in the economy, certainly in politics and most other institutions. i am not sympathetic to the zen phobia, the misogyny, the ho homophohom homophobia, and the other dog whistles that trump uses. >> it's been clear that donald trump, whether it's on economic policy or national security, is going to continue to target the uneasiness that exists kind of across the country right now. it was a clear component of his economic speech yesterday and as he spoke about the terror attacks last night. that said, some differences we saw yesterday, his campaign putting out a rather muted

statement when it came to the terror attacks. uneasiness inside the trump campaign how they saw his poll numbers drop after his response in the wake of the orlando tragedy. >> that's interesting, phil. we'll talk about that statement he put out coming up. thank you for that. so how are the terror attacks overseas and here in the u.s. affecting the 2016 race? that's next with our political panel. what are you doing? getting faster. huh? detecting threats faster, responding faster, recovering faster. when your security's built in not just bolted on, and you protect the data and not just the perimeter, you get faster. wow, speed kills. systems open to all, but closed to intruders. trusted by 8 of 10 of the world's largest banks.

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folks, there's something going on that's really, really bad, all right. it's bad, and we better get smart and we better get tough or we're not going to have much of a country left, okay? >> all right. you are seeing and hearing an example of why people believe donald trump is the better choice than hillary clinton when it comes to fighting against isis. a controversial call to renew waterboarding and to match

tactics with isis in terms of how we fight the war on terror. very different than the response from hillary clinton. let's discuss the different takes and the impact with phil mattingly. we have cnn political reporter m.j. lee, and global and economic affairs analyst ali velshi. phil, you're close to the trump campaign in covering it. he had a big day with his trade speech. it had ideas, it had substance. we'll get to that. this is what's going to get the headline though. his saying we should match tactics. who's he targeting with that? what's going to be the pushback? >> he's targeting really the electorate that he's targeted up until this point. i think the question becomes, it's an electorate that already supports him, right? it's the republican primary electorate that's for him. the question i think is, first off, the idea of bringing back tactics that have been labeled terrorism and banned -- >> illegal. >> they're illegal. they're quite literally illegal. it's unsettling to a lot of people. what it taps into is fear about kind of the broad picture that

isis creates and that we as a country are not tough enough to deal with them. isn't that at the core of donald trump's message throughout the last 13 months? we're not tough enough to deal with them. bring back terrorism. yeah, of course, why not? they're cutting off heads. we should at least waterboard. it's been a consistent message from him. you heard it again last night. the question becomes, and i hinted at this earlier, after orlando, that kind of bombastic congratulatory i was right, should have been a tougher response. that was unsettling inside trump's campaign. you saw the difference in the statement they put out versus the statement he made. >> so they both put out statements. i just want to read one sentence from each that are the crux of their arguments so we can see the contradiction. he put out this statement. he says, we must take steps now to protect america from

terrorists. so not specific. but just saying we should be strong. she puts out a statement at the crux of which is, we must deepen our cooperation with our allies and partners in the middle east to take on this threat. a little more specific. again, not exactly how we are going to quiet terror. . >> no, and donald trump's lack of specificity on being tough and something bad and huge and amazing, none of which a campaign or a presidency makes. the bottom line, and i've done a good deal of studying on how isis works, it's very different from al qaeda. secondly, the only usable information they got out of interrogations was when they were not waterboarding. >> but people will say anything when they're being tortured is the thinking. >> correct. fundamentally, the reason it's not like al qaeda is because it has a lot of money. they recruit people.

they pay them. most of them are part of an apocalyptic cult, but some of them are unemployed youth from western europe who get a few hundred dollars a week by working for isis. if you undercut them financially, and the way you do that is get to qatar, kuwait, to the gulf country, put pressure on saudi arabia. >> so why aren't the candidates spelling that out? >> because donald trump doesn't enjoy specificity, and hillary clinton understands you can't go and spit on your allies while you're trying to get their help. >> ali, let's look at two sides of that proposition. one is he's going to get pushback from the military about we should match tactics. not only is it a philosophical conversation about do you want to match the savagery of your enemy, that's your one advantage over these people is they're perceived as savages and you're not. the military is going to say it didn't work for us. it's not going to play practically. the trade, though. that peaspeech he gave yesterdan trade was specific -- >> and dishonest. >> why? >> highly dishonest. he claimed bill clinton brought

nafta in. he took over nafta because george bush couldn't get it done. >> hold on. i'm on twitter on this issue all the time. i get beaten up like, you know, like any metaphor you want to apply. i got into it with trump about nafta. he said clinton, clinton, clinton. i said you can't blame anyone without blaming bush. >> 100% true. he desperately wanted to have nafta done before the inauguration in 1993. he couldn't. so bill clinton added to nafta to strengthen the rights of american workers. that was one of seven lies in yesterday's speech. >> thank you, ali. >> there were seven points he said he made in the speech. there were four points. china was three of them. trade manipulation were two of them. ronald reagan, he talked about how ronald reagan imposed trade restrictions. he did it four times in his

entire eight years, temporarily. ronald reagan was a major free trader. if that's a substance of speech -- >> m.j., let's talk about donald trump's economic speech yesterday, which the chamber of commerce, among others, came out and said this isn't going to work. it's actually going to thrust the united states into a recession. what were the points? >> i think it's difficult to overstate just how out of line donald trump is on some of these trade policies from sort of the republican orthodox that have led the party if more decades. you mentioned that the u.s. chamber of commerce, i think in realtime, was tweeting and releasing statements saying this is not going to work, this is not good for our economy. so that contrast is really striking. why is donald trump doing this? because this is a message and a rhetoric that worked for him very well during the republican primary. keep in mind, he is trying to target states in the rust belt, including a place like pennsylvania, where he's going to be spending a lot more time,

that have typically leaned to the democratic party. in order to win states like that and defeat hillary clinton, he has to win over some democratic voters, and he knows that, especially if he wants to offset some of the trouble that he's going to have winning over states that have large latino populations. he knows he's damaged on that front. >> he says he's going to bring back manufacturing jobs, impose tariffs on all the countries that are cheating us, allegedly. >> he was saying what he's going to do and how he's going to do it. ali can make his case. there's nothing wrong with that, but that's what an election is about. it's a very different step for donald trump than saying hillary clinton is crooked. i'm going to bring back jobs, hillary clinton is crooked. this was a different day for him. this is the basis of a real election. ali can make his case. hillary clinton can make her case. but if he keeps doing this, david chalon said he should give that speech every day. why? >> first off, it showed he was

serious. he stuck to a script for the second major speech. he basically yesterday did what republican officials have been asking him to do for the last couple of months. he was in two swing states, southeastern ohio, western pennsylvania, as m.j. was saying, ideal targets for the trump campaign. he was talking about policy. he was talking about economics. he was talking about jobs. that's what they want to focus on. that's what they think he can win on. if he's using detail when is he speaks about those issues, republican feel like that's his best chance. >> panel, thank you. thank you very much for being here. let's get to victor. >> more on the breaking news this morning. the u.s. condemning the deadly terror attack in turkey. i'm sure you want to know what officials are doing here in the u.s. to make sure we are safe. a live report coming up.

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the casualties in the terror attack in istanbul's airport, the numbers rising this morning. turkish officials now say 41 people are dead, and the number of those injured now 239. officials in the u.s. are not taking any chances, ramping up security at airports across the country after that attack. cnn's justice correspondent evan perez live in washington with more. evan, good morning. >> reporter: good morning,

victor. you can expect to see more visible security at u.s. airports and train stations as u.s. officials review what can be done to prevent such an attack here. now, the homeland security department says there's no known credible threat to the united states. we don't know which terrorist group is responsible for this attack, but the immediate suspicion falls on isis. u.s. intelligence officials have warned recently that as isis loses some of its territory in i iraq and syria, you can expect the group to launch cells to carry out more attacks. here's the top u.s. envoy on the effort to defeat isis, describing the pressure the group is under. >> isil's leaders are either in hiding or being killed, now at a rate of one every three days, including al baghdadi's main deputies, killed by u.s. military forces. isil's territory is shrinking, losing nearly 50% of territory once controlled in iraq and 20% in syria over the last 18 months. >> reporter: now, the deadly

attack on this airport with security screening outside the terminal shows how difficult it is to secure any of these so-called soft targets. terrorists used ak-47s to attack the outside perimeter. after the brussels attacks, u.s. officials made moves to improve security at airports here, but it's not clear what, if any, changes could be made after this attack, chris. >> thank you very much, evan. the terror attack in turkey the latest in a string of attacks this year, if you think about it. is this the new normal for the west? we're going to talk to the former ambassador to turkey and iraq next.

the deadly attack in istanbul is just the latest in a string of terror in the last few years. several of them in europe. how big is the threat to the west, and how should counterterror officials respond? let's discuss now with former u.s. undersecretary for political affairs and former u.s. ambassador to nato, mr.

nicholas burns. so paris, brussels, san bernardino, orlando, now istanbul. are the people who are watching here in the u.s. and in europe expected now to just live with this? is this the new normal? >> well, it's certainly the new normal for the people of the middle east. there have been 14 terrorist attacks in turkey alone over the last two years. that's where the threat is greatest. obviously we're feeling it as well, given the orlando attack, san bernardino, and the attacks in western europe. i think, chris, it does point to the fact and a lot of people have been saying this for a number of years, we in the west, in europe, the arab world, are in a long fight with radical islamic terrorist groups, some of them emanating from al qaeda, some from the islamic state, splinter groups in the horn of africa. it goes all the way across the belt from east africa to west africa. it may be decades, frankly, before this scourge, and there

are many of them, is defeated. >> you mentioned the challenges there in turkey. they certainly over the last year have seen several of these from istanbul to ankora and other places as well. there have been criticisms of president erdogan from his friends, i should say, that he's not doing enough, especially in fighting off isis, protecting that porous border. what do you think? is erdogan doing enough, and how will this likely change his stance? >> well, for a long time the turkish government was clearly not doing enough because the islamic state was using a very porous turkish border to get fighters in and out of syria, and that was the major problem in syria. turkey has done a little bit more to close down that border but not completely. so the turkish government, which has a long history of counterterrorism operations, has to now focus more on shutting down that border and going after the islamic state operatives in the country. turkey is a victim of terrorism. it's not creating the terrorism,

but everybody has to be in this fight. and turkey now, in a way, is being targeted by two different brands of terrorism. one is the islamic state. most people think they were probably the author of the attack at the u.istanbul airpor. >> you are a hillary clinton supporter. why do you think most voters side with trump in this poll? >> i'm disappointed in the poll. i think donald trump's proposals really don't make a lot of sense. he keeps talking about using one blunt instrument. obviously using our military and forming a larger, effective military coalition is part of the answer against the islamic

state, but president obama has taken the fight to the islamic state in iraq. we need to focus more on syria. i think secretary clinton has a much more comprehensive and much more effective way of looking at this. we've got to have military action, intelligence cooperation, judicial cooperation, and she stressed in her statement last night, it has to be a comprehensive proposal. donald trump only talks about using massive military power. our own military will be the first to say that can't be the extent of what we do. it has to be a much more sophisticated, much more long-term approach. i think hillary clinton, i hope by the end of hthis campaign, will have convinced americans she has the better answers than donald trump. she surely does. >> ambassador, thanks for being with us on "new day." as you say, this fight could take deck caaddecades, unfortun. alisyn? >> imagine having been at the

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we know especially after brussels, what just happened in turkey seems like more of the same. but turkey is a specific place. if isis did this, it means something unique. and the timing of this is very important as well. so let's bring back michael weiss. we're standing here on our map of the world. we want to look at the region, why turkey matters. first, give us a take on timing. the idea we heard phil mudd say, usually it's just about opportunity. but this is ramadan. there's a specific aspect to ramadan you can explain to us about why martyrs especially would think this is a good time to attack. why? >> the last ten days of ramadan are the holiest in the entire islamic calendar. every ramadan, doesn't matter if you're al qaeda or islamic jihad or isis, there's a marked uptick in terror attacks. it's seen to be, you know, glory unto the islamic nation, but let's be honest, muslim countries have their guard down. people are fasting, security services are lagging a little

bit. the isis spokesman, in reality, he runs all of syriaramadan, he thing. this is the time to strike at the infidels. >> which used to be seen as counterintuitive. you think you'd be the least evil at that time. >> just to give you an example, i was in aleppo in 2012 at the tail end of ramadan. i didn't hear any gunfire because the regime had actually relaxed its counterterrorism or its counterinsurgency campaign against the syrian rebels, who had just taken aleppo city. >> so this is the time to be on alert, now through july 5th. if this is the most holy time, it could be the worst. let's look at turkey. turkey matters geographically, but it also matters politically, especially for isis. this is the one place where they don't like to be too aggressive. why? >> well, they're looking to do several things at once. number one, keep the border open. there's one border crossing in particular which essentially

feeds and funds and resupplies the entire so-called caliphate from fallujah all the way to western aleppo. number two, the kurds in turkey, those at the line of the pkk, the kurdish sand workers party, are now the vanguard fighting force on the ground in syria against isis. the minute isis lost ka bo oban they decided to go after these kurds. they're very savvy. they know what they can't take through force of numbers and fire power on the battlefield, they're going to try and extract through weakening vulnerabilities or sensitivities in this coalition. >> hold on. do you think this is -- if it is isis, this is isis playing to advantage or is this their response to losing territory, somewhat of an act of desperation? >> in some sense, it's both. it's a tactical shift. a lot of the terror attacks in 2015 that i counted up inside turkey by isis were waged against pkk-aligned targets. why were they doing this? they knew this was going to prompt a response by the pkk

against the turkish government, which would further distract turkey from a war it doesn't want to evenage against isis and put all of their resources and man power into fighting the pkk. now what we're seeing, look, a brussels/paris-style attack. an international soft target. at least 10 to 13 foreign nationals have been killed from all over the middle east. this is a new shift for isis in terms of how they're approaching the turkish question. >> the geographic question. let's go back to the map. here we are. we're standing in the water. don't worry. when you look at what's happening, there's all this talk about them losing. there's your legend on the map. you can see where land is, where they're active, what's been taken away. do you see support for the proposition that they are losing territory? that's what isis needs to be a caliphate. and that they are in trouble in terms of this war on the ground. politically here in the election right now, you would think they're getting stronger and stronger. >> there's no question that their caliphate has shrunk.

in iraq, it's estimated they've lost about 50% of the territory they controlled as of june 2014. in syria, it's between 20% and 30%. they just lost fallujah, which strategically matters because that was their launch pad for terror attacks in baghdad. symbolically, it's important because this was always the hornet's nest of the sunni insurgency. the pentagon is worried they pulled out of fallujah a little too precipitously because they're waiting to see what happens and they want to come back. leave iraq to one side. syria, they're about to lose the city city. that is the main territory in northern syria they need. these are the guys who plan attacks like turkey and paris and brussels. if they lose northern aleppo, it comes down to a march on raqqah and the river valley. i don't see that happening any time soon. >> right. because you take the easy parts

first away, then it gets harder over time. michael weiss, thank you very much for helping us understand so much this morning. for the thousands who witnessed this turkey terror attack, this is just beginning for them. the emotional scars are going to be there way after any physical scars heal. we're going to talk to somebody who witnessed this and where they are today emotionally and psychologically, next. t you darr dreams. think big. or demand your own space. don't you dare leave it all behind. don't you dare ask what's next. introducing the first-ever cadillac xt5. ♪

we have an update for you on our breaking news. the numbers keep rising. 41 people killed, at least 239 injured in the terror attack at the istanbul airport. we want to bring in an eyewitness. thomas kempnar of the global united methodist church. he was in the airport in the lounge when the blast went off. thank you so much for being here. how are you doing this morning? >> thank you for having me, and i'm still tired and in shock. it was a very scary moment when the bombs went off and everybody started running. we went into all directions and people came back, scrambling over each other. then we all tried to hide somewhere in the lounge. >> yes, we've heard. and we're seeing video now of the moments after the blast went off, where it does look chaotic. were you getting any instructions, or were you just running helter-skelter?

>> no, we were just running. there was no instruction. we ran in one direction, and somebody said, no, the terrorists are over there. then you ran in the other. so we then started to hide. i went into the kitchen of the lounge in some back room and tried to hide behind some boxes because you have all these images of the terrorists coming and trying to kill you while you were hiding. it was very tense and very scary. >> we can only imagine. you were hiding in the kitchen. of course you had images of the terrorists coming in. we did see just such a scenario in orlando in that nightclub recently. were you alone? tell us what was happening in that kitchen for the minutes you were in there. >> yeah, because you have the stories and you saw orlando and paris. you think now they are coming for you kind of. it's a very scary and frightening, terrifying moment. so i was in the kitchen with somebody who was probably chinese. we couldn't understand each other. we had no language.

but we were there hiding. other people were trying to break the glass, trying to get out of the lounge, and hiding in other places. it went on for at least 30, 40 minutes until some staff came and calmed us down. we were all together in the lounge. >> oh, my gosh. so terrifying. we now know that sadly the numbers have risen. 41 people, at least at this hour, were killed there. 239 injured. where do you think the most casualties were from what you saw? >> i think the most casualties were definitely in the arrival hall. when they took us out, we had to walk through the destroyed arrival hall last night. so we walked through it and saw the destruction there, which was very, very heavy. so i guess that's where most people were killed. >> oh, my gosh. it's so just terrible to think of. as we said in our intro, you are a man of faith. you run a christian ministry.

what are your thoughts this morning in terms of your faith and in terms of reaching out to people from other faiths? >> yeah, i was -- i tweeted even from the lounge last night. i think this is a moment which should deepen our solidarity with all people who suffer from violence and terror. these people in many parts of the world suffer every day and every night, not just one moment. i felt strongly about it. the people around me, many and most of them were muslims. i talked to a young muslim lady. she was in her hijab. she was crying and crying. i talked to her and said, what's going on? she was a young woman here from istanbul who had just been to the airport to see off her friend. then the bomb went off, and she just ran. now she was inside the airport with no possible -- they wouldn't let her out. she was just crying. i was with a family from on the

bus. we were almost sitting on each other's lap. they were from somalia. the man said, this happening now here in istanbul. i felt this was common humanity among us, whatever our faiths. we need to reach out. yeah, take our hands and change this and reconcile. this is the only way forward. >> i mean, of course most of the victims in most terror attacks are muslim. what do you say to the people who believe that this is part of their faith, committing violence like this? >> can you say that again? i couldn't hear you. >> what about people who claim that they're doing this in the name of their faith? as a man of faith, how do you square that? >> i think none of the muslims i talk to would say these people have done it in the name of my

faith. i think they are people who have been totally misled and are being used. these young people who probably were the killers here, brainwashed. it is very sad and very striking. we need to set examples that human kind can stand together and can build these bridges. i think that's the important thing. >> yes, mr. kemper, thank you for that message of solidarity. we're so sorry that you've endured all of this. best of luck to you getting home, and we'll check back in with you. >> thank you so much. thank you for this opportunity. all right. more of our breaking coverage on the terror attack in istanbul. let's get right to it. carnage and destruction at turkey's busiest airport. >> we heard a blast. we saw a lot of people running around there. they were all covered in blood. >> everybody was trying to find a place to hide.

>> there was an explosion and the sound of shooting. >> it has all the signatures of an isis attack. >> bloody rags just lying around the floor. it's pretty horrific. no one had a clue which way to run. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is "new day." we do have new information for you on the breaking news on the deadly terror attack at istanbul's airport. the death toll now climbing to 41 killed and 239 others injured. intelligence officials in turkey and the u.s. say all signs point to isis. >> the numbers you're hearing of those who have lost their lives and the injured, they're going to change. they always do in these situations. so please, be patient. you want to see the numbers as they are accurate coming in. now, details about what happened at this airport with these panicked travelers running for their lives. we have video and information

that we have not had before. let's give it to you. we have the story covered only the way cnn can. let's begin with senior international correspondent live at ataturk airport in istanbul. >> reporter: chris, we are outside the arrival hall. this bore the brunt of the biggest blast yesterday evening. we're standing still amongst shards of glass. i want to show you where you can see the strength of that blast blew out most of those ceiling tiles. already they've begun the cleanup process. already they're trying to return to some sense of normality. they've sheltered the area where you can see, where we saw the tarmac pitted from where that bomb detonated. i want to remind our viewers of how it all played out last night. take a look at this. a horrifying scene of carnage

and destruction at turkey's busiest airport. three suicide attackers carrying out a deadly siege on tuesday night. the koords nated attack captured by airport surveillance cameras. >> i just recognized the gunshots and heard this huge explosion, and i knew immediately it was a bomb. and i just bolted as fast as i can. >> reporter: two of the terrorists opening fire at the international terminal before blowing themselves up. this amateur video shows just some of the injured laying outside on the ground before the first explosion. that sound from the first blast by the arrival hall on the first floor. travelers seemingly unaware of the attack that is about to unfold. another surveillance video captures the chaos inside as one of the attackers runs into the airport. then he's apparently shot by a police officer. his gun sliding across the

floor. seconds later, another massive explosion. roof tiles falling, panes of shattered glass along the floor, and bullets perforating the windows and walls. >> you don't think it's real, but then people started running and running and running. so we clashed and fell over each other. it was total chaos. >> reporter: the third attacker detonating a third explosion at a parking lot at ataturk airport. istanbul's airport is known for its heavily fortified security inside and outside the terminals. turkish prime minister says the attackers arrived at the airport by taxi. he says all indications point to isis, bearing chilling similarities to the deadly bombings in march at brussels' airport and subway system. today, of course, is very different, looks very different. you can hear the sheer volume of

traffic as passengers are being dropped off and heading to their flights. it's very difficult to imagine that there isn't a single person who isn't aware that the doors they're walking through this morning are doors people ran screaming out of yesterday. victor? >> nima, it's remarkable that the airport is open just hours after this attack. you remember brussels. that airport was closed for weeks. what are you seeing and hearing there and the level of activity? >> reporter: well, it is extraordinarily busy. this is the 11th busiest airport in the world. it's a very difficult line here for the authorities to tread. on one line, there are always concerns about reopening too quickly, about the impact that's going to have on the forensic evidence that you're gathering. at the same time, turkey spent most of this year reeling from terror attack to terror attack. so for the government, that ability to return to normality, to try and show not only the turkish people that the holiday

makers, the people who come through here, hoping to make new memories, that this is a place they can come to and feel safe. it's that safety they're trying to re-engender in people. you can see it's essentially a construction site. these passengers, i have to tell you, they're extraordinarily brave. they're trying to get back to their lives. >> yeah, i see those people climbing through the spaces behind you where there were window panes just one day ago. nima, thank you so much. turkish and u.s. officials say the attacks carry the hallmarks of an isis-inspired attack with suicide attacks on the rise in turkey. was this the work of isis or another terror group? cnn's senior international correspondent clarissa ward is live in washington with more. good morning. >> good morning, victor. that's right. as you said, u.s. officials and the turkish prime minister saying this has all the hallmarks of an isis-inspired or isis-directed attack. now, previously, isis has not

claimed responsibility for attacks in turkey. there have been at least three this year that we know of. other attacks in turkey have been carried out by kurdish separatists. but why does isis not claim responsibility for its attacks in turkey? most people would say that it's probably because they enjoy seeing the sense of chaos, the sense of uncertainty, the instability that failing to claim responsibility for these attacks engenders. they're trying to hit at the heart of turkey's economy. they're trying to hit at its tourism industry. they're trying to isolate turkey diplomatically. let's look at the actual hallmarks. what specifically makes us think that it was an isis-inspired or isis-directed attack? firstly, look at how the attacks were carried out. three attackers, all of them heavily armed, carrying ak-47s and wearing suicide vests. this fits the profile of the so-called suicide warriors. not just a suicide bomber, but a

suicide fighter, somebody who goes in, who tries to kill as many people as they can using their gun before ultimately blowing themselves up in a last attempt to create maximum casualties. also, victor, we're in the muslim holy month of ramadan. the last ten days, which are considered to be the holiest ten days, we've heard isis' spokesman coming out and urging any supporters to carry out attacks during this holy month. >> important to point out, clarissa. it's somewhat counterintuitive. you think the holiest part of the calendar would be the most peaceful. has not played out that way. we know from now until july 5th to be on alert. clarissa, thank you very much. let's bring in former cia director jim woolsey. gentlemen, thank you for being with us today. you just heard clarissa saying we believe this looks like the trappings of an isis attack. director, does that make sense

to you? >> yes, definitely. the kurdish attacks from the separatists, pkk, generally focus on military and on instruments of government. they're not trying to destroy turkish society. they want to carve off part of it for a kurdish state. whereas isis attacks are horrific and are oriented very clearly usually toward spreading horror and terror and impacting as many civilians as possible and in places where civilians gather together. so everybody is saying that this looks like isis, and it definitely does. it's kind of an interesting -- more than kind of, it's a very interesting shift in isis' overall approach, if this is an isis attack. they may have bitten off more than they can chew. >> let's talk about why. why does isis usually avoid

these types of attacks in turkey? do you believe this is a reflection of them losing the war on the ground in and around that region? >> i wouldn't agree that they actually avoid these kind of attacks in turkey. they've carried out some spectacular attacks before. go back to october when you had an isis attack at a peace rally that killed over a hundred people. what they haven't been able to do is carry out a major attack against something like the istanbul airport, but given other airport attacks and other major attacks they've carried out against similar soft targets and mosques throughout the region and also in europe, it's not out of step with what they've been doing. now, i do think isis is desperate, but i wouldn't link that to this specific attack because it's in line with what they were doing even when they were strong. i think they're desperate because they're losing. that's very clear. you can see that on the battlefield in iraq and syria. they've lost fallujah. they've had a steady stream of losses over the course of the past six month where is their caliphate is under extreme pressure. they're about to lose their african capital as well, that

being the city of sert, libya. let's recognize they're experiencing battlefield losses, but that isn't necessarily why they're carrying out terrorist attacks abroad because that's been a constant for them. >> director, there's a lot of talk about isis specifically in the state of play of the election. donald trump just came out with a st a statement about this attack, saying we need to think about waterboarding and matching tactics with isis. hillary clinton said we need to think about how to deepen our alliances. of those two statements, which one do you think makes more sense in terms of how to continue progress against isis? >> well, taking the gloves off and deepening alliances both are reasonable things to do. this is going to take an understanding that we have not vanquished the hardest part of isis by proceeding effectively in syria and iraq. we have got to essentially root

them out here at home and in europe and elsewhere in the world. that is going to take a long time and be very difficult. we've got to utilize publicly available data from, you know, things like facebook and twitter and all the rest of that in order to try to keep track of where some of these people are and what they may be planning and doing and who they're associating with. that entails steps that people sometimes don't want the u.s. federal government to take. on the other hand, amazon knows a lot more about your purchasing habits than the united states government today if the information is out there and available publicly and it can help follow and track down terrorists, we probably should -- >> is that what you mean by taking the gloves off, or are you saying you support the notion of going back to waterboarding and more harsh tactics? >> well, three people were

waterboarded. two of them, i think, once each. vast majority of waterboarding was with khalid sheikh muhammad, who was bin laden's chief of staff and had a great deal of information about future operations. i think waterboarding is a tough tactic. on the other hand, it's one that is utilized in the training of our special forces, like navy s.e.a.l.s. i knew several journalists who went out and were waterboarded when this first came up because they wanted to see what it was like so they could write articles about it. we don't have people, you know -- people don't tear out their fingernails in order to be able to write an article about fingernails being torn out. so i think waterboarding is complicated, but it's not the main point. the main point is all this data is out there and public and available and used for marketing and so forth by business. we need to have a public-private

partnership in which the government and the companies that work in these areas can work together for essentially the needs of the country as a whole. we need to get into the mentality we were in shortly after december 7th of 1941. >> understood. that's an ongoing political discussion that we've been having in this country. each event resets that debate. thank you very much for your perspective. >> thank you. >> well, presidential hopefuls donald trump and hillary clinton condemning the attack in turkey but offering very different responses. cnn's phil mattingly joining us with more. >> good morning, alisyn. it's the ever-present factor in this 2016 campaign. terror and how the candidates are responding to it. for donald trump, it's strength. for hillary clinton, it's a steady hand. two issues we saw again last

night in the wake of that terror attack in istanbul. >> we had another suicide bombing. istanbul, turkey. many, many people killed. >> reporter: the airport attack in istanbul leading presidential candidates to once again address terrorism on the campaign trail. >> we better get smart, and we better get tough, or we're not going to have much of a country left, okay. it's bad. >> reporter: hillary clinton refraining from any mention of the terror attack during a town hall in los angeles tuesday night. instead, releasing a statement, pledging that the attack in istanbul only strengthens our resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism and radical jihadism around the world. contrast that with trump, who is again arguing for using torture in the fight against terror. >> so we can't do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads. we have to be so strong. we have to fight so viciously

and violently because we're dealing with violent people. >> reporter: the presumptive gop nominee coming under fire, once again for his rhetoric. >> the transpacific partnership is another disaster, done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country. >> reporter: trump provocatively vowing to rip up international trade deals, spending most of tuesday laying out his economic plans and arguing that americans need to take their country back. >> globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very wealthy. i used to be one of them. it's left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. >> reporter: clinton saying she's sympathetic to people drawn to trump's message. >> they have lost faith in their government, in the economy, certainly in politics, and most other institutions. i am not sympathetic to the

xenophobia, the misogyny, the homophobia, the islamophobia, and all of the other, you know, sort of dog whistles that trump uses. >> and victor, whether on economic policy or national security, donald trump making clear he's going to continue to try and tap into that vein of uneasiness that very clearly exists in the country. one of the big questions going forward, though, is in what way? we saw two different responses from trump last night to the terror attack. a very formal statement, a somewhat muted statement from the campaign. then trump on the campaign trail, kind of a window into what's going on inside the trump campaign as they try and figure out how to structure themselves for the general election ahead. >> phil, thank you so much. the candidates are talking tough, but who do americans think is stronger on terror? we'll discuss that next. ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no no,♪

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folks, there's something going on that's really, really bad, all right. it's bad, and we better get smart and we better get tough or

we're not going to have much of a country left, okay? it's bad. >> that was donald trump responding to the istanbul attack at an ohio rally. hillary clinton calling for more international coordination to fight terror. so how will all of these terror attacks impact the 2016 race? here to discuss, cnn political commentator, democratic strategist paul. and cnn political commentator kaley. great to have both of you here. let's talk about how voters are feeling about how this will impact the 2016 race. let me pull up a new poll just out this morning. it's quinnipiac. which candidate would be more effective handling isis? trump wins this one. 52% to hillary clinton's 39%. however, on sunday, abc news/"washington post" asked a differently worded question. which candidate do you trust to handle terrorism? clinton wins this one 50% to trump's 39%. what's going on here, paul?

>> well, you're going to see the polls move around a lot. quinnipiac poll, which basically shows a tied race. the national average is 62% lead for hillary. that's all very early. when you drill down into these more specifics, they found out hillary was slightly more trusted in deploying troops, significantly more trusted in handling a crisis. the most important question, who do you trust to handle nuclear weapons, they prefer hillary by 9%. people don't want donald trump's finger on the button. if her supporters like me keep raising the stakes -- and god help us, my heart goes out to everyone in turkey -- we know the stakes are very high. this isn't just a political thing. we have a volatile world. do you want a volatile president? that, i think, endures to hillary's benefit. whose finger do you want on the nuclear button, donald trump, who thinks we should allow the saudis, the south koreans, the japanese to have nuclear

weapons, or hillary clinton? >> in terms of terror and in terms of isis, which is what the questions are right now, i mean, people do like donald trump's message. he said we have to get smarter and we have to get stronger, but what specifically does that mean? >> it means strength and resolve and executive capacity in our foreign policy. you see hillary clinton east respon -- hillary clinton's response to this attack. she advocated working with our allies. that's something we're already doing. yesterday's benghazi hearing was very instructive. when they were deciding to send rescue forces in, they were concerned with whether the libyan government would approve that. that's not the issue. the issue is protecting american lives, putting america first, and that is donald trump's foreign policy. >> and what would he do differently? >> it means bombing isis more than we currently are and stopping terrorism at our borders. people are getting into our country that want to destroy the country. >> and how do you know who's a terrorist at our border? >> this is why he's proposing the temporary ban from terror countries, from 33 some odd

countries is the proposal that was put forward in the senate. there's data to back that. ted cruz looked into the department of justice data and found that of 580 terrorism convictions, 380 were foreign born. we have a problem with people coming into this country wanting to engage in terror. it's not everyone, but it's some. >> paul, what about those specifics? those resonate with people. >> donald trump has said, and this is a direct quote, i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. well, we don't believe him. that's nuts. that kind of narcissism that drives trump to say -- well, with all respect, we should bomb isis more. really? who, where? we're killing an isis leader, one every three days. we've driven isis out of half of its territory in iraq and about 20% of its territory in syria. there is a war going on right now. mr. trump may have missed it because he's busy putting a new sprinkler system in his golf court in scotland. he literally last week said that.

rehabilitating a golf course is a lot like running the country. no, it's not. >> democrats are deluding themselves if they think terrorism doesn't start at the border. yes, not everyone coming in is a terrorist, but it does start at the border. hillary clinton can live in some alternate universe where that's not an issue, but it is. americans are sick of people dying. 14 dead in san bernardino. 49 in orlando. the one in san bernardino, she got here on a k-1 fiance visa. >> okay, guys -- >> i think you're deluding yourself if you think donald trump can be trusted to do anything more than fix a sprinkler system on a golf course. >> donald trump put out a sev seven-point plan. he would reject the tpp, appoint tough trade negotiators who would utilize international law to end trade violations, he would renegotiate nafta, he would label china a currency

manipulator, bring trade cases against china, impose tar riiffn china. even the u.s. chamber of commerce did not like this plan. they were critical of it. they put out several tweets. they said under trump's trade plans, we would see higher prices, fewer jobs, and a weaker economy. they then put this out. under the best-case scenario, trump's tariffs would strip us of at least 3.5 million jobs. basically, their argument is that you can say that you want to impose higher tariffs on china and mexico, but that would thrust them into a recession. that would then have a ripple effect on us and we would lose jobs. >> the chamber of commerce, it's no secret, that they're huge proponents of free trade. it's interesting because you point out typically they do endorse republican candidates. that's because trade is something the left and right have ignored. we've had 50,000 factories shut down. donald trump is not against trade. he wants to remedy the imbalances in the market, and he wants smart trade. i think the chamber of commerce

should step back and consider that. >> for people who have lost jobs here, that's a message that they want to believe in. >> and they've lost jobs in part because donald trump has been the king of outsourcing. on his own blog at trump university, hilariously, he wrote this. and i'm quoting him. outsourcing creates jobs in the long run. he participated in outsourcing. trump's shirts are made in bangladesh. trump's ties are made in china. trump's suits are made in mexico. trump picture frames are made in india. he's the king of outsourcing. what this is a total con. some people will always believe a con man, but not most americanss. they really won't. the notion that donald trump is somehow a born-again defender of building things in america -- by the way, this tie, made in america. this jacket, made in america. by union workers, by the way. >> paul, made in america. kaley, what about that? isn't that a problem for his message, that he himself has

outsourced some of miss manufacturing? >> i don't think so. he was being a smart businessman. when you're a businessman working in the economy, abiding by the same economic principles as your competitors, that means you have to accept the market as it is. he was not in a position to change the laws then. as president, he can change the laws. he saw as a businessman, hey, it is cheaper to make things abroad. that's a problem. as president, i will change that. >> but is he changing his principles in order to do that? in other words, he used to believe in outsourcing. now he's saying terrible. >> i haven't seen what paul's referring to with trump university, but i wouldn't take what's in a manual at trump university to be what is the position of donald trump, who is not overseeing directly trump university. >> it was his personal blog. i sent your producers a link to this. it was his own blog in 2005. i'll be glad to post it on twitter so you can read what donald trump said in 2005. >> there have been anchors on this network who have said they've heard donald trump three decades ago espouse the problems of unbridled free trade.

he's been on the right side of this issue for decades. there are many people who can confirm that. >> all right. i will check whatever you have sent to us, paul. thank you for that. thank you for the debate. what is your take on all of this? tweet us @newday or post your comment on facebook.com/newday. let's get to victor. imagine what it was like to see the death and destruction after the blast went off at the istanbul airport. up next, we'll talk to an eyewitness who landed moments after that attack.

two men entered the istanbul airport. they pulled out their weapons. they started to fire. then they detonated bombs. another man then did it in the parking lot. right now 41 people have lost their lives. over 230 are injured. so those numbers will most likely change. this happened in one of the world's busiest airports. imagine being on your screen right now, that scene, people not knowing what's going on and then the explosions and the aftermath, which lasted a long time. what was it like?

joining us now from istanbul, lawrence cameron. he was coming off a flight in istanbul when the explosions went off. he's a video journalist who's covered afghanistan and ukraine. lawrence, how are you this morning? how are you feeling? >> good, thanks, chris. not had much sleep, but everything is quite calm right now, which is a little surreal as opposed to the scenes we saw here last night. you know, watching that footage back, it's crazy to think everything is back to normal now. >> we've been remarking on that this morning. i want to talk to you about what the experience was like inside. but the timing here is relevant also, especially on the heels of brussels, where, you know, it took days for the airport to get back on its feet because of investigations and just the practicalities on the ground. here, they're already back up and running. what does that tell you? >> i guess the turks are just trying to move on as quickly as possible. i was in the airport this morning looking for my lost

luggage. they just put a panel up. they were sweeping up debris. someone had hung a big turkish flag pretty much right at the spot where the bomb had gone off as a sort of act of defiance, which is quite moving. a lot of people taking photos. a real sense that everyone was, you know, just carrying on as normal and obviously to remember what happened and the awfulness of it. to think, the best way to defeat this is to just carry on. i talked to some pilots this morning in my hotel. they said, we're ready to go, ready to fly. everything back to normal as much as it can be. >> you get off the plane. you get into the airport. you see the scene. describe it for us. >> so i didn't actually hear the explosion. i'd had a very pleasant flight, a couple whiskeys, watched a movie. i got up, grabbed my bag. as i came out of the sort of walkway that leads up into the main terminal, i just heard

these screams. i turn around the corner, and it's just this wall of people running towards me, you know, tripping over themselves, police with guns out. in the middle of it all, there was some old chap in a wheelchair. just horrendous, really. just panic. >> i'm sure it had to be a moment of pure panic. you were seeing it on their faces. you also got a sense of the range of injuries that these explosions caused. what did you see? >> to be honest, chris, we were on the side of the inspector. we didn't see -- no one on our side was actually hit. all the damage was the other side of the gates. so if you imagine an airport, you know, the passport control is very heavily guarded. clearly the attacker, i guess, had got close to it, but he hadn't got through. actually, on our side initially no one was hurt. it was just pandemonium. it was only until we were finally let out that you started to see blood on the floor,

people holding rags to their head, holding cuts on their arm and so forth. >> do you think that was the weapons you saw with your familiarity of being in places where you see hostilities all the time? do you think they were injured from glass shards and the material of the airport, or do you think it was about the bombs themselves and what they may have had in their in terms of frag? >> you know, i'm not a ballistics expert, but i would assume from looking at the building itself, a lot of shattered glass, a lot of ceiling panels had fallen down, even all the way out to the baggage carousel you had debris on the floor. so i can only assume that a lot of those injuries were caused by glass, by masonry, by plaster. >> how were people handling it t how was the response? >> you know, as you'd expect, just panic and people, everyone

asking, what's happened, what's happened, in a number of languages. i guess the worst thing was when the police were funneling us out of the airport. you know, clearly there had been families split up, tour groups split up, friends that had been split up. people were looking back towards the airport, shouting names. the police are pushing them out. they're getting in arguments over wanting to go back in and whether or not they'd be killed or injured or just lost in the sort of chaos is anyone's guess. >> when you see an attack like that and how they did it and they were before security and just came out of a cab, started to shoot, detonated themselves, do you think that that's the kind of thing you can be 100% safe from in today's world? >> no, i don't think so. i mean, where do you put your security barrier? do you stop people on the main road coming into the airport, and they'll attack that?

do you keep going to the next? where does it end, really? i don't see beyond stopping these things prior to them actually happening through good intel or whatever else. i don't -- you can't really prevent this kind of thing if it's going to happen on such a busy station. if we're going to have free travel and be able to move so many people through these places, i don't really see how else you do it. >> and that's why -- hhow quick you respond becomes one of the measures of defense. it didn't have the impact that the terrorists wanted to have. lawrence cameron, thank you very much for joining us. glad you're safe. appreciate you telling us what happened inside that airport. >> thank you. >> alisyn. >> well, the attacks just another reminder of how dangerous the world feels right now. next up, david axelrod on how terror impacts this presidential race. my experience with usaa is awesome. homeowners insurance life insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty

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can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever they're eating their dinner, talking about the americans don't do waterboarding, and yet we chop off heads. they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing, we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. >> that was donald trump renewing calls for waterboarding after the terror attack last night. so how does terror shake up the 2016 race? let's ask cnn's senior political commentator and former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod. great to have you here.

>> good to be here, yes. >> so convention until wisdom holds that terror attacks like we saw last night increase enthusiasm for a donald trump presidency. there's a new quinnipiac poll out just this morning that seems to reflect that. which candidate would be more effective handling isis? 52% say donald trump. 39% say hillary clinton. what do you think? >> i think that the great thing about presidential races is there is always a poll to support whatever argument you want to make. "the washington post" had hillary with a 12-point edge in terms of dealing with terrorism. so it's hard to say. look, donald trump basically treats every problem in the world like a nail, and he's the hammer. that has appeal when people are feeling insecure. so events like this that may make people feel more insecure could benefit him. on the other hand, there is this sense that hillary is more measured, perhaps more presidential, and more equipped to deal with these kinds of issues in the real world.

the temperament issue has dogged trump in the last few weeks and whether he has the temperament to deal with an unstable world or whether he would add more instability is the counterargument. it's not clear which argument will win. >> well, what do you see over time here? there's a disconnect between who the voters or whoever responds to the poll thinks would be the better commander in chief versus who would be tougher on isis. >> yes. >> so how do you deal with that politically? >> ultimately, he's going to have to speak to what that means, being tougher on isis. the fact is that isis' territory is shrinking, and that's one of the reasons why they're lashing out. >> but the attacks are increasing. he said yesterday they do whatever they want, they're savages, we have our hands tie, and we're too civilized. >> i understand it's a very visceral appeal, but the question is, what happens when the next question comes, which is, okay, what does that mean? what are you going to do about

it? what would you do differently? waterboarding isn't really a serious answer to a lot of these questions. i'm not sure that anyone would argue that waterboarding -- we don't even know whether this was a koocoordinated attack, a comm and control kind of attack, or whether this was -- or how it was planned. so it's really -- you negotiation as this goes on, i think what happens in presidential races is the tests get harder month by month. once you reach those debates, you're going to have to answer questions in a more than visceral way, i think, to win the day. he hasn't yet fleshed out those approaches and plans. >> well, hillary clinton and donald trump even had different approaches to talking about it last night. so donald trump had a rally in ohio. he came out to the podium. he spoke about it in front of, there you saw, hundreds, maybe thousands of people. hillary clinton put out a written statement. so what do you think about how effective either of those are? >> this goes back to the point that i raised earlier, which is

there's no doubt that he knows how to make a visceral appeal. the appeal he made last night may have connected with voters. there are other voters, i'm sure, who are concerned about whether he is presidential in the sense that he can deal with these things in a measured, thoughtful -- >> right, but in politics, does emotion win? does emotion and the visceral appeal at the ballot box win? >> i think when you get closer to the presidency, i do think people start measuring candidates based on whether they can see them in that office. so i think that's the big question you raise. can he overcome those questions about his temperament and preparedness through, you know, raw, visceral appeals. >> you need both though, right? in 2008, i remember then-senator obama had been very measured. >> i remember too. >> i know you do. that's why i'm asking you. he had been very measured about what you would do with pakistan. pakistan was a big focus then.

there was a belief at the time that they were really being used as a transit place for terror. turned out to be true. and he had been keeping an arm's length on it. well, look, we got to be careful. they're a big ally in the region. in an interview, i kept pushing him. what if osama bin laden was in there? what would you do? would you go in? eventually, it was forced for him, but he said, yeah, we'd go in. you made it appoint of the election, start talking about. it clinton turned around and said, you have to be strong. if iran pointed missiles at us, we would obliterate them. people want to hear the tough talk. >> actually, it was a little bit -- i remember it a little bit differently. he said, if we knew where osama bin laden was and we had actionable intelligence and the pakistanis were unable or unwilling to act, then i would go in after bin laden. actually, he was rebuked by all the democratic candidates who said that that would be irresponsible because pakistan was an ally and you have to work

with your allies. in that case, you know, he made a more visceral appeal, but it was also based on what he based believed and acted on. he acted that on as president. >> that's what it was. people want to hear it. >> that was a specific set of circumstances that he was responding to. my point is that trump is going to have to go beyond sort of these ris ral representations and this is what it means and this is how i'll move forward. he has to pass the test or people will be skeptical about his commander in chief. >> david axelrod, thank you. >> let's get to victor. two airports attacked by terrorists in the last three months, istanbul and brussels. are they the new favorite for terrorists. how concerned should you be when you fly. we'll discussed, next. it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries

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juliette, former assistant secretary for the department of homeland security. she is the author of the book "security bomb." good morning to you. >> good morning, victor. >> this airport was the 11th busiest in the world. knowing what we know now and we know the details will come out, do you see any security holes, or is this not a story about airport security? >> no, it is absolutely a story about airport security and just looking at the pictures, there are questions about given istanbul's security layers, even before you get into the airport, how did they get in simultaneously and could they put more security at the area where they're entering. but people should get out of their heads that airports are hardened, right. there is a range of security, we call it layered security at airports. think of it like the cockpit is the most secure, we secure

pilots. the further you get from the airplane, including on the sidewalk, is where you aren't going to have just accept just a level of vulnerability, because there are too many people coming in and out of airports. for airports to function in the world that we live in, you're going to have soft targets somewhere near the vicinity. >> so we know this is hardening a larger perimeter around the airport. we remember when the security started at the gate, and then it started at the terminal. >> right. >> and then the departure, and then the sidewalk. we heard from a guest who was speaking with chris this morning, that they're checking taxis on the drive up to the airport. i mean, how far can this perimeter go? >> it can only go so far, because at some point, you're going to have a choke moment, right. you're going to have a moment where people are not going through security and then they're through security. could you put it ten miles outside of an airport, but mile 10.1, it will be a soft target.

what we have to do is focus on layered security and also engaging the public. look at this, the second attack in which taxicab drivers were used. we need to engage those who might be transporting terrorists and not know it. the airline security personnel, the airline flight attendants, the ticketing people. you have to engage everyone, because there is no way the security apparatus is going to be able to make airports hard enough that they are in vulnerable. just looking at the numbers, this is an airport, services 113 countries a day, 285 flights internationally only. the magnitude of the size, which we should applaud in the kind of world we're in, is just overwhelming. >> i started this conversation by asking if the airport or airports are the new favorites for terrorists. we know seven out of ten, according tomt latest cnn poll, americans expect in the near

future another attack on u.s. soil. what is the degree of concern that u.s. airport will follow brussels and istanbul? >> so there is always a level of concern and like everywhere else in the world, there is layered security at the airports. i think what you're going to see, especially leading up to this july 4th weekend, which is sort of an elevated threat level, is a surge of resources, public safety, local law enforcement, tsa, each of these big airports, just to sort of make the public assured that they are safe and secure. but look, if people want to move in a world that we're in, including in the united states, you can't have the security apparatus so strong that it impedes the flow of people. that's the challenge for people in airport security or in homeland security generally. but i think you're going to s mayors and sort of anticipating

july 4th. >> we saw the hashtag, hate the wait, and you mentioned the surge leading up to july 4th. july 5th, the final day of ramad ramadan. we know al qaeda and the isis, one up man ship, a week after paris, al qaeda went after a hotel in mali, what is your concern that al qaeda will have to respond to this somewhere in the world in the last few days of ramadan? >> that requires government action but for people to be engaged. i have to be honest, if you're traveling, talk to your kids, do you know what the 911 number is abroad. people net to get smart. my concern is not only the elevated threat level, with isis

losses in syria and iraq, let's be realistic here, they've lost fallujah, they are losing, they need to have successful attacks for recruitment efforts. that's essentially what's going on. they want to show they're alive and well. >> juliette, thank you so much for being with us this morning. there is a lot more news, let's get to it. there are so many ambulances. everything is not okay. >> carnage and destruction, at the turkey's busiest airport. >> falling on the ground, not knowing what's going on. >> i knew immediately it was a bomb. i just bolted as fast as i can. >> this does bear all the hallmarks of an isis attack. >> you have all these images of these terrorists trying to kill you. >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. our viewers in the united

states and around the world, you are watching "new day," and we do have breaking news today. the death toll is climbing in istanbul's airport. that's not unusual in a situation like this. they're trying to get their hands around the immense damage that was done. at latest count, 41 lost their lives. 239 injured. >> well, the suicide attacks have all the hallmarks of isis. incredibly, the airport is back open, less than 24 hours after this carnage unfolded. let's begin the coverage there with correspondent, live at the airport in istanbul. it is just incredible that the airport is already functioning. i don't know if this says this is the new normal there. >> reporter: absolutely. i think it is an attempt to get us back to normal as quickly as possible. the reality that istanbul has been reeling from these attack for months now. we want to show you the clean

ups. this has happened quickly, to the sense of stabzation. people are shaken up. it has been months of a series of these attacks. and the quicker the authorities can get things bab ck to normal. if i step out, you can see the ripped out ceiling tiles, the glass panes still shattered, and around us, there are still chards of glass. in spite of that tempt of cleaning up, i want to remind everyone what unfolded here yesterday evening. a horrifying scene of carnage and destruction at turkey's busiest airport. three suicide attackers, carrying out a deadly siege on tuesday night. the coordinated attack captured by airport surveillance cameras. >> i just recognized the gunshots and heard this huge

explosion, and i knew immediately it was a bomb. i just bolted as fast as i can. >> reporter: two of the terrorists opening fire at the terminal, before blowing themselves up. this amateur video shows just some of the injured. laying outside on the ground, before the first explosion. that sound from the first blast by the arrival hall on the first floor, travelers seemingly unaware of the attack that is about to unfold. another surveillance video captures the chaos inside as one of the tackers runs into the airport, and then he is apparently shot by a police officer. his gun sliding across the floor. seconds later, another massive explosion. roof tiles falling, panes of shattered glass along the floor and bullets perforating the windows and walls. >> you don't think it is real, but then people started running and running, and we followed

each other. it was total chaos. >> reporter: the third attacker, detonating a third explosion at a parking lot at the airport. istanbul's airport is known for its heavily fortified security inside and outside the terminals. turkey's prime minister says the attackers arrived at the airport by taxi. he says all indications point to isis. bearing chilling similarities to the deadly bombings in march at brussels airport. the arrivals hall we're standing now, this took the brunt of the first detonation, and as you were explaining earlier, this is one of the busiest airports in the world, we're seeing passengers file past us with a realism about the fact that they need to try to get on with their lives, but it is very difficult

to completely wipe from your mind where they're walking to get their planes is where people were tracking their bloody footprints as they attempted to save themselves yesterday evening. >> i imagine it is surreal behind you, but still, the window panes missing behind you. thank you so much. officials in the u.s. and turkey say the attacks pair to be the work of isis. with suicide attacks on the rise, was this the work of isis or another terror group. clarissa ward is live in washington zrchl washington. >> reporter: turkey is no stranger to terrorist attack. they've had six this year alone. two main culprits. one kurdish separatist group, and the other of course is isis. now, isis traditionally has not claimed responsibility for its

attacks in turkey. this is likely to be because they enjoy the sense of uncertainty, the unsettling nature of leaving it ambiguous as to who is responsible for the attacks, but certainly, as you said, u.s. officials, also turkey's prime minister says this bars the hallmarks of a isis attack. look at how these men, the attackers arrived on the scene. they were carrying ak-47s in addition to their explosive vests. this fits into the isis model of the so-called suicide warrior, not just a bomber, but a warrior, whose intention is to go in and kill as many people as possible before detonating the explosive vest. to get as many casualties as possible. you also mentioned earlier r ramadan. these are the holiest days of the holeyest hear.

we heard him come out and urge isis supporters to try to carry out these types of taxes. we don't know, was this a directed attack or isis inspired attack. officials here in the u.s. and turkey will be looking closely to fridtry to find out more det. >> thank you for that reporting. let's bring in the former u.s. bams door to turkey, james jeffrey. mr. ambassador, thank you for being here. as you just heard in clarissa's reporting, this isn't the first terror attack. in fact, it is the eighth. why has turkey become a main target? >> alisyn, first of all, our condolences to those killed and wounded. turkey is a target because it is first of all in a very bad neighborhood in the middle east, essentially melting down in a free fall into crisis right now.

secondly, it has both a domestic terrorist group, the pkk, revolutionary kurdish group, and it has, of course, isis operating just south of the border, and moving back north into turkey. it faces two threats. they've struck in turkey four times in the past year. >> our military experts tell us that isis is actually losing ground in iraq, and in syria, and yet, it sure feels as though their operational capabilities have not been diminished. where are you on this? >> i'm on, we need to act more quickly. as we just saw in the iraqi town of fallujah, when the u.s. and local allies mound a strong offensive, these guys can be pushed back. we need to destroy isis as a state and as an army and as a refuge where they can plan attacks like this. this was clearly a planned isis attack. that requires more u.s. boots on

the ground. it requires a stronger effort out of washington. >> so talk to us about that. you would recommend more boots on the ground where? and you would recommend, it sounds like, more bombing campaigns? >> well, certainly more aircraft, loser rules of engagement, more advisory teams possibly, more special forces raids, and perhaps some maneuver units with call them, battalions on the ground. in northern iraq to move against mosul and syria against the capitol, raqqah. until these places are taken, they're going to continue. >> how many boots on the ground are you thinking? >> this is in the few thousands. we already have some 6,000 troops in iraq and in syria. they're just not able to be used the way they should be used, the way they've been trained with those troops and some reenforcements, i think we do this quickly.

>> why aren't they being used? >> there are concerns in iraq, and this administration simply is very reluctant to commit american troops and to take casualties for almost any cause. >> have you shared your feelings with the administration? >> many, many people, including i have shared our feelings with the administration over the past two years, including many people on the ground trying to do this job. >> what has been the response? >> the response has been a considerable increase in the forces committed, and the liberalzation. we've employed people differently. we're moving towards that now. we need to move towards that even quicker, because attacks like this can have a tremendous destabilizing effect on stability of our allies, and ultimately on the united states. >> so when donald trump says we need to be smarter and we need to be stronger, answered says we

need to bring backwater boarding and bomb the hell out of them, what is that message? how does that message resonate with you? >> leaving aside the politics of it, torturing people is not a solution, and carpet bombing is what the russians do is not how we fight wars. however, we can take somewhat more risks in terms of the type of ordinance we drop, in terms of closeness to civilian personnel, civilian buildings and such, but in the end, we have to fight a war in a humane way. >> the u.s. state department on monday put out a travel warning. they said the u.s. department of state warns u.s. citizens of increased threats from terrorist groups throughout turkey and to avoid travel to southeastern turkey. this didn't happen in southeastern turkey, but they were warning of travel to turkey. that was the day before this attack. did they know something?

>> i don't think they had specific intelligence, because they would have informed the turks and they would have taken even more extensive security measures and the very good ones that the turks did take. the state department has issued a whole series of what we call citizen warnings over the past year about turkey, because of the sort of attacks there and because of its proximity to the fighting in syria and iraq. >> some of our analysts believe this happened yesterday because just yesterday, turkey struck a diplomatic deal with israel after a six year rift. do you think it was strategic timing on the part of isis or whoever is behind this, or just a target of opportunity? >> alisyn, that's almost impossible. first of all, attacks like this require planning, logistics, preparations, scouting out the terrain. secondly, relations with israel on the part of anyone is at the very bottom of isis's political

interest. they have many other interests and enemies. they would not have motivated them i don't think. >> ambassador, we always appreciate for having you on "new day." thank you for your expertise. >> thank you. we have there the perspective of somebody who has been involved with this, and now we have to put that on to what we're hearing in the election. you have the rivals, clinton and trump, both agreeing terrorists need to be stopped, things need to be better. but how? that's going to be a distinguishing character risk. phil mattingly joining us with more. >> the 2016 campaign, terror. riling up voters, causing a lot of concern inside the campaigns, and yesterday, we got another look of how the two candidates are trying to deal with. trump, offering strength. hillary clinton, offering a steady hand. >> we had another suicide bombing, istanbul, turkey. many people killed. >> the airport attack in

istanbul, leading presidential candidates to once again address terrorism on the campaign trail. >> we better get smart and we better get tough or we're not going to have much of a country left. okay, it's bad. >> hillary clinton, refraining from any mention of the terror attack during a town hall in los angeles tuesday night, instead, releasing a statement, pledging the attack in istanbul only stre strengthens our resolve around the world. contrast that, with trump. who is again wants to use torture in the fight against terror. >> we can't do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads. we have to be so strong. we have to fight so viciously and violently, because we're dealing with violent people. >> the presumptive gop nominee, coming under fire, once again for his rhetoric. >> the transpacific partnership is another disaster.

push bid special interests who want to rape our country. >> trump, provocatively rip up trade details, laying out his economic plans, and arguing that americans need to take their country back. >> globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very well thee. i used to be one of them. it's left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache. >> clinton, saying she is sympathetic to people drawn to trump's message. >> they have lost faith in their government, in the economy, certainly in politics, and most other institutions. i am not sympathetic to the xenophobia, the homophobia, the islam phobia, and all of the other dog whistles that trump uses. >> and donald trump has made clear, whether it is national

security or economic policy, he is fully planning to tap into the vein of dis illusionment, the uneasiness that people are feeling. here is an interesting thing that happened. we continue to watch the evolution of the trump campaign. he was scripted. he didn't move off of it at all. the rally, a coherent and muted statement on national security. so what we're seeing right now is trump trying to find the balance between what got him to this point right now and what he needs to do to win in the general election. victor. >> no mention of that muslim ban that he pitched back in december. phil, thanks so much. you heard trump and clinton weighing in on the turkey attack, but what do voters trust to keep them safe here at home. we look at the numbers, next. on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults

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all right. so we're dealing with the attacks in istanbul. they matter to the election. how are the two candidates who want to be the president dealing with it. we heard a big speech from donald trump about trade. it was real. we keep say how, how, how. he gave you how yesterday. how does it size up what should be done. two big issues. we have matt sclapp, american conservative union, he has endorsed trump for president. we have global affairs and economic analyst. matt, you see this situation in

turkey. why is that the winning formula for what to do about isis? >> look, poll after poll, including the poll that shows him trailing hillary clinton the most, shows him on the question of will he have the leadership to destroy isis, he has the most commanding lead over hillary clinton. there is something about the guy where he connects to voters on the fact that they feel, i think this is true in america today, they feel we lack leadership, a true understanding of what's going on in the war against islamic terror. >> regardless of the facts on the ground, we've had every expert what you know, they're losing ground,ist isis don't c. you don't call them radical islam, you're weak, trump says, i'll be strong. is that enough? >> the generalities make him seem strong, but again, as you just talked to others about the specificity helps here, some

troops on the ground, that's what a lot of people are calling for. the fact, is we are showing that what we've got there, 5,000, 6,000 trips, mosul will be tougher in getting into syria, will be next to impossible because they don't want the americans there. we have to think about this in a sophisticated manner. you have to weaken their infrastructure and got to their finances. that is something that the -- our allies in the region can be most helpful for. the money they're getting is coming from the region. we have to just be sophisticated about this. saying generally we have to be tough, and this is bad while it appeals to people and it is visceral and i get that, is not a solution. hillary clinton could do with a little more detail about her plan how to do this as well. i think there is a middle ground. george w. bush got that. it is very complicated. >> i don't know how she tells the american people that she has a strategy on radical islamic terrorism, because she was

president obama secretary of state. she owns the last seven years. >> so your suggestion is to write off any of the gains on the ground against isis. >> no, let's be fair. >> they're pushing back. you don't hear anybody, trump or anybody saying we're winning on the ground in isis. >> i want them to win. i think these people want to destroy america and i want them to win. here's -- i want america to be -- >> of course do you. >> i wanted the president to succeed. >> of course you do. >> i wanted secretary to succeed when she was secretary of state. they fell on their face. what the american voter is saying in poll after -- they just don't get the fact that we have to take these guys on, and it is not just isis, it wasn't just al qaeda darks they're coming in self-radicalizinself- >> let's give credit where credit is due.

not understanding iraq, i think that goes back to your administration. everybody doesn't understand it. it is complicated. i'm trying to say there are lots of people who don't understand. this is really complicated. donald trump's simple answers belie what the bush administration didn't know -- why do you think he knows it better than two administrations over 16 years. >> for voters, this isn't that hard. i think they'll give the leader the benefit of the doubt that it is complicated and a big hairy problem of feeding this terrorist threat. it is a big problem. they want them to connect with the fact that they're worried about it, that they're scared about the future of the country, and when you can't call the enemy what the enemy is, and when san bernardino happened, you know what they did with the flags, they said it was workplace violence. they know what this is. these are terrorists among us. >> there has to be something what matt is saying, because we're seeing it in the polls. i get it -- you have to take the next step.

>> it doesn't solve the problems. >> what people want to first be is consoled and you know emotionally where you are as their leader. that's one issue. an issue that is not as emotional is how are you going to bring jobs back into the country. everybody says they're going to bring jobs back in every election. yesterday, trump gave a speech saying how he would do it. the critics are saying he never does it, he did it yesterday. >> the biggest point is he is a businessman, he gonegotiates deals. he is sending a message to china and the rest of the world that fess t if he is the leader, he is going to negotiate much tougher deals. >> nafta will be gone, the current state of fareaffairs. >> he will use the powers he has to make sure he stands up for the american worker. >> hold on one second. the speech he said, i'm going to get rid of the deal, change the deal -- you went what's that

about. you endorsed the guy for president. >> i do. he want him to be president. i'm saying what he is saying we have to go through a process where we get rid of the bad deals. it is more complicated than to say he is going to get rid of it. to renegotiate deals, the message is the right message. let me tell you something else. manufacturing has left because maybe not a poorly executed deal, it is also because our regulatory environment and tax environment. we have the highest income taxes in the world. hillary clinton started -- let me finish. >> you've been talking for a while. >> i'm almost done, buddy. >> she wanted to raise those income taxes. that's not going to create any jobs. >> use your time to make points. you say there were some dishonest premises. >> first of all, again the people that wanted nafta was the bush administration. they negotiated, and couldn't get it finished. he talked about bringing jobs

back that are lost because of low wages, a third of our jobs, if not more in manufacturing have been lost. we manufacture much more in america than when barack obama became president. it is a bad situation, but we manufacture more with fewer workers, and they're not getting paid as well. that's reality. are we going to undo technology, make things by hand? >> no, but let's face it -- >> even iphones are made by robots. >> we cannot make everything here. when we don't manufacture here -- >> you're not going let me finish. >> i'm enjoying the dynamic, i have to be honest. >> you couldn't stop talking to me in the green room. >> well, you know, i've learned from -- >> make your points and -- >> if we don't manufacture things in america, they are made someplace else in a dirtier fashion. we're not going to make everything here, but we can make a lot more and we shouldn't be

cavalier about jobs and turning them over to other sectors. i want to make as much as we can. we can't make everything but -- >> so when you start taking away these tariffs and canceling these deals, how will people buy your stuff? >> simple. how do you think american products can't be made -- >> tpp lifts tariffs on 70% of the cars that go into japan. that's part of the negotiation, getting american product news places. have you been to vietnam. they do nothing but drive. they want cars, they're all japanese cars, because america can't get them in. >> if you have a free-trade agreement, they don't need to be so big and complicated. both economies, both markets should be freer. unfortunate unfortunately, when we get done with these free-trade agreements -- >> that's not true. >> it is factual. look at japan. >> japan and vietnam, where again, you don't see -- >> you're wrong.

>> i'm not i don't think. >> trade deals are not simple, matt. they take ten years to negotiate. >> very good. >> japan is a closed economy at the end of tpp, 10% will be opened to other products. the fact is, that's not equitable. >> japan is one of the biggest economies in the world. >> let's leave it there this was actually progress. i want you to know that. in an election where all we're hearing is crooked and no temperament for president, you're going at the issues, giving the sides, it is valuable. thank you, fellows, appreciate it. on me, because of this, by the way. alisyn. okay, another terror attack, this one closer to home. we know there were terrified calls for help in the nightclub in orlando, florida. questions being raised about how long it took police to end the attack. orlando's police chief joins us with his response, next. the heirloom tomato.

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orlando police releasing transcripts of 911 calls from those trapped inside the

nightclub in orlando, when a deranged killer opened fire, killing 49 and injuring dozens. now, the calls for help are raising questions about the police response. here to respond, orlando's police chief, john mena. good to have you this morning. >> good morning, victor. >> after the release of these new records, there are these new records about the response. i know that from these records, according to the city, that mateen fired no shots between 2:18 a.m., when the s.w.a.t. team was called, and between 5:02 when the wall was breached by the s.w.a.t. team. that's according to the city records. i want you to listen to patient carter. she was one of the victims trapped inside a bathroom there, and then we'll talk on the other side. let's watch. >> i could see his feet, like back and back, as we heard the police outside, he said hey, you. to someone on the floor, inside the bathroom. and shot them. shot another person. then shot another person, who

happened to be directly behind me. >> patient carter there saying there were shots fired, people shot between two and five, the questions about whether or not waiting three hours to go in was the right choice. your response to what you're hearing from ms. carter? >> well, it is not uncommon for accounts of witnesses to vary, you know, based on stress level and experience, and all the different things going on. especially when it is time and distant related. now, there is dispatch calls are pretty detailed and remember, our officers were in and around that bathroom, the bathroom wall right where the hostages were. so i'm certain if they had heard gunshots, they would have maiden tree. that's what we're trained to do. >> so you believe ms. carter has it wrong here? >> no, i believe that those gunshots that she heard either

in the initial gun exchange with the suspect or right prior to the -- right at the hostage rescue. >> okay. let me go here to what we're hearing as it relates to miguel lefa. he said that he believes he would be dead if the s.w.a.t. team went in earlier. there are some victims who are supporting you, but there are the relatives who question why wait three hours, not specifically about the shots fired, but according to these new records, at 2:09, dispatcher logged, the victim is no longer responding. just an open line with moaning. take us into the decision-making process as these hours go on. this is early on, to decide not to go in, when quite possibly some of these people know and i know the details are indelicate for the hour, bleed out as this

went on. >> it started as an active shooter situation. our officers entered the club within minutes. the suspect retreated into the bathroom. exchanged gunfire with our officers again. and the shooting had stopped. so during that time, we're setting up for a plan for our rescue operation, and also talking with the suspect on the phone. you know, any type of situation, we want this to be peacefully resolved, because we know that a hostage rescue operation is one of the most dangerous things we can do. so to prevent further loss of life is our intention to peacefully talk him out, but also set up for the operation, for the rescue operation, and during that three hours, our officers were actually rescuing victims from other parts of the club, and setting up for the rescue. >> let me ask you about this reporting coming from the orlando sentinel. we know there were six exits in

the club, but i wonder if all of them were operable. the fire chief and the fire marshal, tammy hughes, in which she says she saw a photo by a code enforcement officer that showed a soda machine was blocking an exit door and he was also sent an e-mail that day saying the last company check was on may 12th, and there was one door inoperable. do you know if all of the exits as they are supposed to be legally were op perable on that night? >> as far as i know, they do, and i haven't had any reports from our police officers or s.w.a.t. team officers about any inoperable doors. >> the club disputes that, saying all the doors were op perable it has been two weeks now, have you been notified whether or not your officers or any law enforcement injured initially any of these victims were killed any of the 49 who

were killed? >> no, that's all part of the investigation. as soon as the fbi is done with their investigation and the florida department of law enforcement investigates the officer involved shooting portion of that, we're hoping to get the results back. because we want to know all of the facts as well. >> all right, orlando police chief, john mena. thank you so much. we're hearing from victims critical and those like miguel, who said if you had gone in earlier, he would be dead today. he is thankful for the timing. >> victor, that was a helpful segment. those are questions people still have. we're going to go to break. the situation is now frighteningly familiar. innocent passengers murdered by terrorists at an airport terminal. can officials keep it from happening here. what is the reasonable expectation of safety. we have the u.s. response, ahead. beating)

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officials in the u.s. say they're not taking any channels. that they are ramping up security at airports across the nation after the attack at

istanbul's airport. justice correspondent evan perez in washington, more on what's being done. you want to be safe, but people do not want to be hampered with their travel, what they call freedom. so what do you see as the balance? >> that's right, chris. you can expect to see more visible security at u.s. airports an train stations as u.s. officials review what can be done to prevent such an attack here. the homeland security department says there is no known credible threat here in the united states. we don't know yet which terrorist group is responsible. but the immediate suspicious falls on isis. u.s. officials have warned that as they lose some of their territory, you can expect them to launch cells to carry out more of these attacks. here is brett mcgurk, describing the pressure that the group is under. >> isil's leaders are either in hiding or being killed at a rate

of one every three days, baghdadi's main deputies, killed by u.s. military forces. isil's territory is shrinking. >> the deadly attack on the airport with security screening outside the terminal shows how difficult it is to secure these soft targets. they use ak-47 rifles, and at least one of them got a few yards inside before blowing himself up. now, with the upcoming 4th of july holiday, officials say you can expect to see more armed security, more dog sniffing dogs. stuff . >> let's hope there is a lot of that, evan. thank you for that. eight suicide bombings

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deadly attack is just the latest in a string of terror in turkey. why is turkey a target. here to discuss, cnn global affairs analyst, bobby ghosh. the largest terror tack in turkey, maybe we can put it up on the screen. there have been scores of people

killed all over turkey. what's going on there? >> well, you have couple of groups operating. they've always been kurdish extremist groups that operated there, but their activities tended to be small. now you have isis that has joined the party, if you like. for a very long time, isis seemed to leave turkey alone, but clearly, a decision was made last year that that sort of period had come to an end. >> what do they have against turkey? >> what do they have against everybody? it is apart of this is it fits into their pattern of mayhem around the world. they're enemies of everybody. for a long time, they left turkey in part because turkey was a useful conduit. a lot of the fighters, money, supplies came through turkey. they didn't want to mess with that. but in recent times, now that turkey is allowing nato flights from its air bases to attack isis and syria and iraq, that

was an important change. we've seen an increasing antiturkey online, through twitter, the most recent isis magazine they put out every now and again, they had on the cover the president of turkey speaking with obama, president of the united states. so they've clearly been ratcheting up rhetoric and also the violence. the interesting difference, for some reason, we don't fully have an understanding why of all the attacks they do around the world, the ones in turkey are the only ones where they don't openly take credit. >> that's curious. >> and we can speculate, but it is very odd. it allows a certain amount of plausible deniabldeniability. turkish people know, the world at large knows. we'll understand better once there are more captives, people that the turkish authorities can interrogate. why do they not take responsibility, or they would see it, credit for these

attacks. >> explain the times. it is ramadan. explain how during ramadan, it makes sense to kill women and children and muslimi women and children. >> they announced it was open season for anybody. no exceptions. they encourage people to go out and see this as a kind of holy duty, part of the -- it is incredibly kind of prevevgs of the religion that defies belief. this is the second anniversary of the caliphate. >> do you put stock into the timing of that? these are all targets of opportunity. they act when they can act. >> they are, but three man suicide attack on a prominent, highly secure target takes planning. this was not done overnight. there has been suggestions that turkey announced it was resuming

relations with is israel, this would are been months in the planning. it is possible the exact timing, exact date and time was a matter of opportunity. but there was a lot of planning that went into it. they had a pretty good idea that around this time, they would do this attack. >> ramadan does not end until july 5th. >> this means nothing to them. we won't see any -- whether we see any more attacks, fewer attacks, it will make no difference. isis, ramadan, it makes no difference. isis is telling the muslim world. >> do you think this is because isis is losing territory in syria and iraq. >> smart people have been, analysts have been saying that. there is something to that. they need to reassure their supporters that they're relevant.

the fact that they just lost fallujah, it is a big loss for them in iraq, they still have something to offer. they want people to come and join the fight. they want the money that comes in. they do need some propaganda victories to make up for the defeats on the battle field. >> bobby, we're going to miss you here on "new day." this is your last visit here and then heading out to your great opportunity in dehli, india. >> you know where to find me. it has been two wonderful years. >> best of luck. we have loved having you here. >> that does it for us. carol costello picks up after this quick break. we'll see you tomorrow. and this month, we mean big... we've never had sirloins this big, before. 'gi-normous!' crab stuffed lobster tails. the loaded bloomin' onion... this big australian dinner party never ends, but, things won't stay this big forever...

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i just recognized the gunshots and then heard this huge explosion, and i knew immediately it was a bomb. >> just pure panic. people falling over themselves. >> the first was pretty awful. their families in other parts of the world, it is a terrifying experience. >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. i would like to welcome our viewers in the united states and arouhe